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2009 Training Camp Preview: Offensive Line

Joe-thomas-wide By Don Delco
NoLogoNeeded.com staff writer


This following story involves a Steelers fan in a good light, so bear with me. It illustrates the best way to silence those annoying front-running fans.

A die-hard Steelers fan got into a heated discussion with an obvious fair-weather Cowboys fan. Obvious topics were discussed and the Steelers fan finally got fed up. He needed to drive home his point.

“If you’re such a big Cowboys fan, name your starting center,” shouted the Steelers fan.

“Uh…,” was the fair-weather fan’s answer.

Browns fans would never be in the same position as that Cowboys fan. First, Browns fans and fair-weather fans do not go hand-in-hand since fair-weather fans root for winning teams. Second, Browns fans know their team and since the free agent signing of LeCharles Bently and his first-day injury at the 2006 training camp, that position has been discussed in Cleveland almost as much as the quarterback.

It continued last April as California’s Alex Mack was selected in the first round by the Browns. How will he fit into a unit that is emerging as the team’s strength?

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Name/Position (NFL Experience)
Branndon Braxton/T (rookie)
Marion Davis/G (rookie)
George Foster, T (6 yrs.)
Hank Fraley/C (10 yrs.)
Dustin Fry/C (2 yrs.)
Rex Hadnot/G (6 yrs.)
Kurt Quarterman/G (1 yr.)
Isaac Sowells/T (4 yrs.)
John St. Clair/T (10 yrs.)
Eric Steinbach/G (7 yrs.)
Joe Thomas/T (3 yrs.)
Ryan Tucker/T (13 yrs.)
Floyd Womack/G (9 yrs.)

Projected Starters
LT — Thomas
LG — Steinbach
C — Mack
RG — Womack
RT — St. Clair

Projected Reserves
Foster
Fraley
Sowells
Hadnot
Tucker

Training Camp Battles
The biggest battle starts in the middle. Fraley has been solid for the Browns since coming over from Philadelphia in 2006. Yet his age began to show especially against the NFL’s best 3-4 defenses. Fraley simply cannot handle those large nose tackles like he used to.

Insert Mack. At 6-foot-4, 311 pounds, Mack was the best center available in last April’s NFL Draft and there is a reason — he’s smart, strong and, well, talented as he started four years at Cal.

How will he transition into the NFL is a concern for all rookies and that means it gives the veteran Fraley a chance to retain his starting position.

Meanwhile, on the right side of the line options abound for Manigni and his staff. Womack and St. Clair were both free agent signings that weren’t sexy, but provide stability.  Gone is right tackle Kevin Shaffer. Womack can play almost any position on the line except center. St. Clair started all 16 games for the Bears last season.

Yet don’t count out returning Browns players in Hadnot (the Browns starting right guard last season) and Tucker (a past starting right guard and right tackle) who had dealt with injuries and substance abuse.

All four players will compete for those two positions. Conventional wisdom would lend to Mangini’s guys (Womack, St. Clair) getting the nod.

What To Watch For
First and foremost the eyes will be on Mack. Is he worth the first round pick and the subsequent players the Browns passed on?

Steinbach also is intriguing. Mangini has made it known, both through his actions and his words, that he likes big offensive linemen. Steinbach is small for comparison’s sake so Mangini wants him to add some bulk. Watch to see if Steinbach has a few more plates of pasta and, if he does, does it limit his biggest attribute, quickness?

Steinbach and Thomas have been a nice pairing on the left side of the line and it will be interesting to see how that continues under the new coaching staff.

Expectations for 2009
During Mangini’s tenure in New York he invested a lot of time, energy and money into the team’s offensive line. Now, the Jets have one of the best front-five in the NFL and the Browns are not far off.

Mangini did the same in Cleveland by signing free agents Foster, St. Clair, and Womack and drafting Mack to create depth and competition.

The Browns want that ball-control offense. In order to accomplish that goal, the line must be an excellent run-blocking unit. After years of Browns fans wishing the team would focus on the offensive line, those days are over. Mangini has and will continue to do that. As a result, this unit is one of the better, if not best, on the team.

Comments

I just hope that the Browns can sign Mack before training camp begins. If Mack misses any practices, then he will really have to work hard to become the starter.

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Posted  July 20, 2009 at 12:27 PM by The Wolf

Didn't St. Clair allow more sacks than Shaffer?

Posted  July 20, 2009 at 5:43 PM by paulbip

We will be solid as long as Tucker can stay healthy for once to anchor the right.

And seriously Don.......you couldn't have said it was a Buccaneers fan or something? You really had to make a Squeelers fan look intelligent? Like there aren't any front running Squeelers fans? Come on. Screw them.

Posted  July 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM by Brandon

While I agree that the offensive line will likely be our best unit (unless we count our kick-off return team), that still isn't saying a whole lot. While everyone keeps touting our new found depth with Womack and St. Clair, we have to remember that neither were that good the last two seasons and their own teams didn't even want to retain them.

This is my fear - that we're putting way too much stock into the fact that our offensive andd defensive lines are deep, when we should be focusing on the fact that that depth doesn't really equate to 'good.'

To praise and/or hype up Womack and St. Clair would be like the Bengals hyping up Rex Hadnot. We'd sit back in our cozy chairs in Cleveland and snicker at the Bengals for loving their new guard Hadnot, just like Bears and Seahawks fans, respectively, snicker at us for touting St. Clair and Womack. I just don't think we should be surprised if they don't carry their weight (pun intended) this year.

And finally, while I agree that it's about time we had a coach want to pound our running game, this just isn't the division in which to do it. I'd much rather spread the field against Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and even now Cincy, than have to run the ball against Harrison, Foote, Woodley, Suggs, Reed, etc.

Sorry to be a downer...

Posted  July 20, 2009 at 9:16 AM by Matt Wasowski

While I agree that the offensive line will likely be our best unit (unless we count our kick-off return team), that still isn't saying a whole lot. While everyone keeps touting our new found depth with Womack and St. Clair, we have to remember that neither were that good the last two seasons and their own teams didn't even want to retain them.

This is my fear - that we're putting way too much stock into the fact that our offensive andd defensive lines are deep, when we should be focusing on the fact that that depth doesn't really equate to 'good.'

To praise and/or hype up Womack and St. Clair would be like the Bengals hyping up Rex Hadnot. We'd sit back in our cozy chairs in Cleveland and snicker at the Bengals for loving their new guard Hadnot, just like Bears and Seahawks fans, respectively, snicker at us for touting St. Clair and Womack. I just don't think we should be surprised if they don't carry their weight (pun intended) this year.

And finally, while I agree that it's about time we had a coach want to pound our running game, this just isn't the division in which to do it. I'd much rather spread the field against Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and even now Cincy, than have to run the ball against Harrison, Foote, Woodley, Suggs, Reed, etc.

Sorry to be a downer...

Posted  July 20, 2009 at 9:16 AM by Matt Wasowski

@ Matt
You aren't being a downer....the Browns are the downer. That is just how we are programmed at this point. I think Brandon is right, the fate of us being a top 5 line and being just above average is Tucker staying healthy, which doesn't happen often.

Mack signing is a big deal as well, if he doesn't sign before camp I find it hard to believe that he will be the starter and we need him to be.

Posted  July 20, 2009 at 10:32 AM by Z

Matt,
I see where you are coming from. You look at names and figure names equates to success. Along the O-line that is simply not the case.

The NYGiants have virtually no names, outside of Chris Snee, and yet they are considered one of the best units in the league. It's how they work together and how they gel as a unit that will determine their success. Obviously, the more talent, the better, but NO offensive line in the NFL has studs throughout.

We have our anchors, the guys who can help everyone else out, in Thomas and hopefully Mack. Then we have another high-end talent guy in Steinbach. That's 3 very good players talent-wise and that's more than most good offensive lines in the NFL. The other two just have to fill a role and mesh well with our 'name guys'. I believe they will be fine, so long as Mangini and Co. know how to evaluate talent better than Romeo and Co. did.

Posted  July 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM by line will be fine

Kind of funny, but it is nearly impossible for the Browns to have a fair weather fan.

Posted  July 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM by The Mike

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