EXACTLY!

UMMM, you expect Quinn to "lead" us to 6 wins? Are you freaking crazy? Look, I don't love Anderson, but lets give the guy credit where it is due. The Browns have been most successful since the return when he was under center. They owe it to themselves to see if they can recapture the magic from 07 as much as they owe to themselves to see what they have in Quinn. DA went in the 6th round because nobody had ever heard of him. But he is 2nd all time in the PAC 10 in passing yards. Quinn slipped to 22nd after going into his senior season as a heisman favorite and the presumed number 1 overall pick. My point is every team in the NFL did a deep evaluation of him and he slipped to 22, was rescued at 22 is more like it. The reality is it is a tough choice. I think it is not out of the realm of plausibility that Quinn is a bust. How do explain the new coaching staff's decision to hold a Qb competition? Having said that, I believe a QB competition is the proper course. I believe Anderson will prevail. I also believe that both guys will play a significant amount of time this year and next year it will be clear if they have the guy or if they should start the search for a Qb all oveer again.

DA blows...start Quinn

I think that this line in your article says it all:

"Let me preface this by saying that I do not love Quinn, but I do hate Anderson."

How in the F'k can anyone expect an unbiased article from someone who already has his mind made up. Your argument for Quinn is that we haven't seen enough of him. If he loses the QB battle, will you have seen enough of him then??? Excellent article by Pluto the other day, quoted an AFC exec who basically gave away his teams defensive strategy against Quinn. They're going to stack the bow and dare him to throw it deep. Throwing the deep pass with accuracy has always been Quinn's Waterloo. It took all of 2 games last year for the Bills to figure Quinn out and just throw the sink at him. HE HAS NEVER RESPONDED WELL TO PRESSURE. So at that point, his so called superior skillset of mobility, huddle presence...etc, goes out the window. He never succeeded in college under pressure and the Pro's is just an extension of college....WITH BETTER PLAYERS. The Denver game last year gave us a glimpse of what can be expected of Quinn when the money is on the line. He'll come apart like a cheap suit. Now you can try and parse DA's numbers to make them say whatever you want them to say. But the bottom line statistic is wins, and in 2007, the Browns went 5-3 in the 2nd half just as they went 5-3 in the 1st half of the season. DA went into training camp last year as starter and he looked like the starter. The opening drive against the Jets in preseason told the world that our O was ready. Now you may want to overlook a concussion and a sliced foot by BE, but they threw our offense out of synch and it never recovered. You may be all giddy about watching a boring, dink dunk, field goal/turnover fest, but I'm not. Every now and then, Mangini's offense will call for a deep strike, and Quinn just isn't capable of making those throws. It will be exposed in training camp, and this will pave the way for DA's selection as our starter. I've got NFL stats, tropheys and accolades to back up my backing of DA, while all you have is speculation and guesstimation. You may not have seen what Quinn can do, and you never will once he loses the QB competition. As a 1st round selection, he should have captured the coaching staff eyes long ago. He hasn't and that's why the job just won't be handed to him. DA has whipped his azz since college, and I don't see a darn thing changing this summer.

@ Tony
If Quinn is selected as our starter, I expect the Browns to win 6 games. I think with our schedule and the new regime we should be able to get 2 more wins. There is a definite chance that Quinn is a bust, but I think giving him the chance is our only option because I truly believe that DA was the product of our team playing well in 2007 and like I said, when it counted he folded. Just my opinion, I guess we will see what happens in camp

@ DASAGENCY
I said I would TRY to be objective...haha....truth is I would hate to have Mangini's job for this decision because one way or another someone is gong to be upset. Maybe DA will surprise me and play out of his mind, but I have my doubts. I think 2007 was the best he will be and like I said above, he was a product of a team playing well in 2007 and it was not solely because of him. for some reason he seems to have regressed quite a bit. There is also a chance that Quinn fails miserably, but I would like to see him handed the reigns so we know now whether or not we have a franchise guy or we are starting from scratch.

Aaron, I've seen you and a lot of others write the following:

"There is also a chance that Quinn fails miserably, but I would like to see him handed the reigns"

I never could figure out what it meant though. Does it mean that you just want to see the starters job handed to him, or are you willing to let the QB competition play out? Now when you say that DA was the product of a team playing well, I'm sure that you're just talking about the O side of the ball. That's what made DA's 2007 season all that much better. He not only had to beat the oppositions defense, he also had to overcome his own. Last years team showed what 2007's team would have looked like without the offense. DA was the straw that stirred that drink and 2008 proved that. I'm betting that his concussion affected him more then we know, but I think we have more options then just seeing whether Quinn is the franchise guy or us having to start from scratch. If I'm Mangini, I'm going bonkers over the prospect of resurrecting a young kid back to his 2007 Pro Bowl form. Bottom line is that whomever the winner of the competition is, he'll have my full support. If I could root for Mike Phipps, I can root for anyone.

Z, Great article! I find it funny to see the people you have brought here form Cleveland.com. I have been reading their forum for years and see everyone bash DASAGENCY on there and he has now made it to NLN.com NICE!

I am bias as well as I do want to see Quinn at the helm and if he can’t handle it, it’s time to move on to something else, Ratliff? Hell, Vinny Testaverde??

What I do think about Anderson is he was a product of a system. (Matt Cassel anyone?) How many times in 07 did we see Winslow/Edwards make spectacular catches? I mean..they caught passes that should not be caught right? (Edwards in the preseason last year one handed behind the back). Now DA may have an arm to rival a howitzer but his accuracy is poor at best. What does this mean? Passes that are off target to players that can only catch spectacular catches = pro bowl numbers and a great year. Last year Edwards was not making those same spectacular catches and was also dropping the easy ones as well (what else is new?). SO DA's true colors show.

I am not in love with Quinn either like some people out there. I just can NOT seem to figure out how anyone can think he has the potential to be great? Are we watching the same games? How many BAD (and not just BAD..if i could make the font any bigger to emphasis this I would) but BAAAAD passes do we have to see? I think many of the Browns fans out there were blinded by the little bit of success we had in 07 and just holding on for some type of hope. Time to wake up and smell the roses. DA IS NOT THE GUY. If Quinn? Who the hell knows. I don't care who is behind center as long as it stops me from drinking until I feel no more pain every Sunday!

GO BROWNS!

NOTE: 3rd paragraph is about DA!

I am not in love with Quinn either like some people out there. I just can NOT seem to figure out how anyone can think DA has the potential to be great?

Don't mind DASAGENCY. He's been carrying Anderson's jock strap since 2007. I'm assuming he'll go away in a few months when DA gets traded.

That's why there's a COMPETITION. To see which can emerge and bring back the 2007 spirit.

B. Quinn
CP/AT YDS TD INT
23/35 239 2 0

Defense lost the Denver game, kiddo, not Quinn.

DA may have some attibutes, but leadership is NOT one of them. That's the cornerstone to any quality QB.

You must not watch much tape of Quinn from college. The deep ball is DEFINITELY there. Weis coached him in the ways of Patriots system. Even Tom Brady only heaves the ball 3-4 times a game.

DA WAS a one hit wonder. It's a moot point at this time, as the new regime has basically given the starting job to Quinn due to the Offensive scheme they are installing.

Dude...hand Quinn the reigns...again are you nute? Arent you sick of watching the Browns lose? I am. If he can't beat out a guy that you think is so bad, what makes you want to watch him? I go back to "lead" the team to 6 wins. If they only win 6 games, regardless to is under center, nobody led them anywhere. Why in the world would you be OK with Quinn "leading" the team to 6 wins, when 2 years ago DA led them to 10 wins.....that makes no sense.

A 3-5 record when he WAS given the chance last year. That's why.

Nice to see another guy who is clueless.

Can any of you guys honestly say...honestly, now...that you thought throwing almost 50 passes (second most thrown by a Browns QB in the last 10 years) under horrific conditions was a good idea?

Yes, we're tallking about the 2nd Cincy game of 2007, where Anderson vastly outplayed pro-bowler Carson Palmer.

Cincy coaches saw that passing was ineffective, and went to the run.

Cleveland coaches saw that the pass was inneffective, and threw twice as many more.

That was a coaching mishap, friends. If you can't see that, I can't help you. I know you guys love Brady and all...but it's okay to be critical of Romeo Crennel. You do understand he was a horrible coach, right?

Honestly...sometimes I feel like I'm living in a Twilight Zone episode.

These blogs by fans are fun. But the articles like this one show that it is written by fan. One with almost no knowledge of the game.

The ignorance starts with the talk about Dorsey. Dorsey thought he could play in this league, he did not think he was just a clipboard holder. What an idiotic statement by you.

Does Dorsey have a ton of talent, no but he has about as much as many guys that have been third string QBs in the NFL. Missing those points throws off your entire article beyond that.

So why did a typical third string QB look unbelievably bad if it was not a lack of talent? It was the team around him and the coaching. It was the holes in the OL, the play calling, the lack of weapons at WR, the bad defense, the poor special teams year, the lack of a running game.

When you start to understand all those as facts, you start to understand just how remarkable DA going 10-5 really was. Yes it started to break down at the end of the year with bad weather, injuries with no depth. WR no longer healthy etc.

Then last year it all came apart in preseason. DA looked all world and headed back to another pro bowl in camp, totally outplaying Quinn by a mile in their competition. Then Edwards gets stepped on, Tucker is lost, DA gets a concussion, and yes our jailbird driver gets hurt and we have no one to throw to. The season was over at that point.

So all your conclusions after your initial mistake are flawed. We have no clue how Quinn will play is even wrong. The league has said we want you to start Quinn, we put 8 in the box and you go nowhere.

Your statement that Quinn is more accurate is again not something that holds up in fact.

In short you are a typical fan with too little info or knowledge to make good conclusions.

This team without doubt can win if the defense is good enough. The OL blocks well enough. The RB explode through holes. The WR run good routes and make the adjustments to the ball all good WR make on every team and hang on to the ball. If all that happens you win with DA. Because with DA teams defend the whole field with BQ they defend the line of scrimmage.

DA is no superstar like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. But he is as good as Mannings little brother and about half of the other starting QBs in the NFL. You just can not see it because of the players around them are different as has been their coaching.

Do not feel bad that you are stupid about judging talent. There have been GMs in this league most recently in Detroit that are just as stupid. Draft a QB, trade for a QB, sign one in free agency and still not win because of the players around him and the coaching.

Give DA the players around him and quality coaching and this team will win. If you had an eye for talent you would not miss that. But it is easy to miss because of how badly they have played around him.

Do not feel badly about your ignorance. You do not have tapes of the games or the advantage of knowing the routes. So you do not know when a WR or TE ran the wrong pattern making the pass look off target or bring a defender into the area to pick off a pass that should have been open by the reads. So you have no business judging. DA is the more accurate of the two on all but the shortest passes. As the media has even conceded Quinn is a 4 yards or less guy. He is very accurate under 4. And that is what he throws if he has the chance.

In mini-camp they forced him to throw deeper and he could not get it done. That is why it went from Quinn having an edge to even despite DA being injured the last days of camp. Quinn has no accuracy on intermediate and deep passes. He constantly bounced in passes over 8 yards last year.

DA has some occasional problems on dump off passes into the flat and screen passes. Somethimes he throws them perfectly others times erratically. That is a mindset of the big play QB. An adjustment he can and will make.

DA is just coming into the age and level of experience when you should start to expect consistancy.

Quinn does not have the talent. As the NFL has told us, yea start Quinn we will put 8 in the box and you will go noplace.

DASAGENCY.... How can you put the blame on Quinn for the loss vs. Denver last year? Are you that frickin delusional? (Dumb question, we all know you are from your cleveland.com posts)

Quinn went 23-35 for 239 yards and 2 TD's. But it was his fault the "D" allowed Cutler to throw for nearly 450 yds w/ 3 TD's. It was his fault the "D" couldn't get off the field on a critical 4th and 1. It was his fault K2 let a prefect pass go right thru his hands, and had a moronic penalty on the games' final drive.

Riddle me this dude, How is Anderson so great but we couldn't get a single TD after Quinn went out for the year (6 games, 5 starts by DA)?

That stat there shows enough. But if you want to talk about falling apart like a cheap suit. 4 picks to Cinci with the playoffs on the line is all I have to say.

Quinn to WIN!!!!
GO BROWNS!!!!

“If I expect Quinn to start, I am going to expect him to lead us to at least 6 wins. I will expect him to take care of the ball and make plays when asked.”

If Quinn only wins 6 games next year then he didn’t take care of the ball or make plays when asked. It was a good article and I enjoyed reading it but it appears that you fell into a trap of thinking that 6 wins would be an improvement over Anderson last year.

Anderson played approx. 9 games (played part of the Houston and most of the Indy game) and won 3 games. If he had played a full season at that rate it would have been 5.3 wins. If you take into consideration the easier schedule, improved coaching (hopefully) and more catches than drops from BE in his contract year then I think below .500 wouldn’t be an improvement.

Personally I don’t have a preference of BQ or DA. However, assuming Mangini makes the right QB decision and we don’t win at least 7 or 8 games then we will probably need to consider getting another QB.

Wow. I guess Ray Ray took your article personally! No need to bash the writer of a "BLOG" because of his personal opinion. That’s why it’s a "BLOG".
I found many errors in your points Ray but I don't claim to be an expert either.
Maybe since you have these tapes of the games and are privileged to the game plans maybe you might share them with the editors of the site and the rest of us fans so we can be as well informed as you!
The fine point is that to be a successful QB in the National Football League you have to be consistent. Not as you stated:
"Sometimes he throws them perfectly others times erratically. That is a mindset of the big play QB."
Seriously? C'mon. I hope you’re not coaching my kids pop Warner team!
"Johnny..its ok you tossed 2 interceptions that resulted in 14 points with less than 3 minutes to go in the half, in the game that will lock up a playoff birth! Just go out there and make up for it with a couple good plays!"
It’s called managing the game! The kind of “Big Play QB your talking about is Brett Farve and my friend, Derrick Anderson is no Brett Farve.
Again, a sign of a good QB is one that is consistent. Does not matter if it is consistently good...consistently great....as long as it isn’t consistently bad!
As you said yourself sir. DA=Erratic.
GO BROWNS!

Difficult to see how a Quinn led team could win more than 6 games with this team is the answer to your question.

With Quinn the Browns are a 4-6 win team.

With DA the Browns win at least 8, if the rooks come through maybe as many as 10 wins.

The schedule is that much easier.

6 wins is getting worse. Unless injuries are a huge factor. Last years team likely wins over 6 even with the tougher schedule if not for the injuries.

Better depth this year and better coaching should prevent the kind of meltdown we had last year. Especially on the OL and DL. Both fell apart last year and while everyone was debating QBs and Lerner was forcing Romeo to play Quinn despite the coaching staff saying he was the worse QB. It was about the rest of the team. The injury to DA did set him back, but the other issues were far bigger.

The Denver game was poor by Quinn because luckily for him Lerner forced Romeo to start Quinn very late. Denver had more than half their defense and all their DBs injured including some backups. That meant any QB could dink and dunk their way to some scores. A good QB puts that game well out of reach early. Denver was playing prevent with UPS drivers that were signed that week playing defensive back. Your mother could have completed the dump off passes Quinn made in that game. He should have gone 30 fo 36 for 600 yards and 7 TDs against that defense, that would have impressed. What he did do was more you would expect from Dorsey or any 3rd string QB.

We saw one well played game last year. The one game the offensive line was mainly healthy and the WR were hanging on to most passes and Winslow was not screwing things up. We beat the Giants one of the best teams and did so with an excellent game by DA. That is what DA would play like if he had the players around him.

Had Quinn played that game we lose by double digits.

DASAGENCY what we know about Mangini is he does not care about DA going to the Pro Bowl in 07 or Quinn being a first round draft pick or that he played for ND.

All he cares about is which gives him a better chance to win. If both were not flawed with mixed results so far the decision would already be done.

It seems that Mangini is headed toward starting Anderson based on mini-camps. But regular camp and preseason games will give the verdict.

He may end up giving one and then the other chances in the regular seasons and set things up for Ratliff or newly signed QB to take over for the next year.

As the NFL exec told us in the Pluto article the scouts in the NFL are convinced you can stop Quinn and the running game by putting 8 in the box and daring him to throw which he has shown he can not do.

DA you hope to contain and hope he makes mistakes. Will another year of experience and better coaching reduce his mistakes? Probably. To even think about DA being the best he can be at this age with this little talent aroung him and so little experience is to admit not understanding the NFL.

3 years of playing every game on a good team with quality coaching and QB starts to come into his own. DA has not had that. The talent is certainly there. He can make all the throws, Quinn can not. Can DA make all the reads and turn off that desire to make the bigger play and settle for the checkoff are the still unanswered questions with him.

DA could turn into a solid starter with some good coaching, Quinn can never because of a lack of physical skills. Quinn basically gives you Frye 2 or a younger version of Dorsey.

Great article Aaron.

Regarding the commenters though…I love how Cleveland fans, and I am one of them, just consistently jump to conclusions. We need no evidence to love a guy, or to hate him?!? This is the city that put a 22 year old Grady Sizemore in the soon to be hall-of-famer category, and 4 years later he has shown himself to be a mediocre player. But you would never know it by the fanfare he receives from the city?

Yet we decide that a guy who has less than 100 NFL passes (many of which were thrown with a broken finger) is a bust? I am not saying Quinn is the next Joe Montana, but can we not give him a LEGITIMATE chance before just casting him into the c-town doghouse? We have seen what DA has, and it is none-to-impressive. Our 10-6 season included only 1 victory over a team with a winning record.

The fans of this city are passionate at times, and stupid at others. Lets try to cheer with our hearts and think with our heads.

You guys are too hard on both QB. Other QB with weak arms have managed to run a west coast offense with throws of 4 yards or less and be sucessfull in this league. So to dismiss Quinn is short sighted. The right players and offense and you could win with Quinn. Not the king of QB that could carry a team, but look at some of the quarterbacks that have won super bowls. Not much more talent than Quinn.

Derek Anderson has a big arm and sets up will for the offense the Browns probably will be running. Bust defenses up the middle until they bring up the safeties and then beat them over the top. If the defense tries to play the safeties up to prevent the big play from Anderson you bury them with inside running game. That is the current plan. You can not do that with Quinn because no team worries about him beating them over the top.

So it comes to the system and which QB is better prepared and has the talent around him to fit the system. We do not know what we have in wides. Can you run a west coast offense with them? Lewis is not the type of RB you want in west coast offense. So the talent looks like it fits Anderson better at this point to run the offense we supposedly have chosen.

Remember if teams are playing you tight, you can not make the dink and dunk west coast system work and Quinn can not get it done. With Quinn you need the defense to turn things around big and keep the game close. He will not bring a team back late.

So both QBs have some skills that a good head coach and offensive coordinator could use to score.

The edge right now because of the talent and system appears to be with Anderson.

But you need to stop acting like the QB you do not like is much worse than the one you like. Neither is going to be a star and both under the right situation could get things done.

You guys are nutzo Quinn is a god. First round draft pick everyone knows he will be great. Anderson was hardly drafted he has no chance of ever being good.

You hit the nail on the head Mark! ha ha

But seriously.
I enjoy the argument that Quinn can't toss the long ball. We all know he can’t throw as hard or as far as some other QB's but it's not like he only has the strength to toss it 14 yards. I mean seriously? If a QB is doing what he should we never would need to depend on a 60 yard pass right?

If Quinn is great and DA is terrible why did Quinn leave the classroom ahead of DA and end the mini camps even with DA?

Something for those of you that say Quinn is a god and DA is a bum to think about.

Does it not bother the disciples of Quinn a little bit when you read Steve at the Canton paper write "Quinn again today was unable to complete any passes over 4 yards" or Pluto at the PD write "An NFL exect told me that if Quinn starts they will just put 8 in the box and dare him to throw over because they do not think he can"

Does that not even make you think you worship a false idol?

DA has been no picnic and I am certainly not saying he will be great. But to be convinced Quinn will, when most signs say otherwise seems a bit blinded by idol worship.

Right now these two are even and for good reasons. Do not make up excuses that Mangini is just saying that for some stupid reason like fooling other teams or trade talks or other nonsense. They are even because neither has looked great.

Now you can say neither looked great because of the new offense. But did not Quinn have some of this offense at ND? And did not his better work in the classroom mean he should have looked better in practices? Yet he looked worse and fell back into a tie with DA, the guy many of you think is so bad.

Face it folks DA is not that bad and Quinn is not that great and either could start and probably neither will be a star.

Jason, you asked the following question:

"DASAGENCY.... How can you put the blame on Quinn for the loss vs. Denver last year? Are you that frickin delusional? (Dumb question, we all know you are from your cleveland.com posts)"

Here's your answer:

1st and 10 at CLV 33 (1:14) (Shotgun) B.Quinn pass short right to K.Winslow pushed ob at CLV 42 for 9 yards (J.Winborn).

2nd and 1 at CLV 42 (1:03) (Shotgun) B.Quinn pass incomplete short right to K.Winslow.

3rd and 1 at CLV 42 (1:03) (Shotgun) B.Quinn pass incomplete short middle to J.Wright.

4th and 1 at CLV 42 (1:03) (Shotgun) B.Quinn pass incomplete short left to K.Winslow.

When his team needed him the most, Quinn had already left the building. Now to the best of my knowledge, no member of the defense was playing offense at the time. Quinn is another in a long line of NFL QB's that can get the job done for the 1st 3 quarters. But when the money is on the line and it's nitty gritty time, it's hard for him to throw with both hands around his neck. He carved up Denvers 29th ranked defense for the whole game, UNTIL IT MATTERED THE MOST.

Finally a fair and balanced reply.

Well said Bubba. You hit the nail on the head.

Both groups of haters need to take another look.

At this point, I will be happy with whomever Mangini picks. I just want wins.

BFlynn what you do not understand is that just because Quinn maybe able to throw the ball 40 yards does not mean he can throw it 40 yards accurately.

Heck I know 50 kids that can throw a football 50 yards and none are ever going to play in the NFL.

So just saying Quinn can throw the ball over 14 yards means nothing. Look at his passes last year and this year in mini camps when he tried to throw over 4 yards.

There is good reason that Crennel and coaching staff and Mangini and coaching staff both have tried to get Quinn to not just take the checkoff immediately.

He does so because he has no confidence in going downfield. And not even the intermediate route not only the deep pass.

Quinn fans will say he makes faster reads. Anderson fans will say Quinn does not make reads, just checks off automatically and it looks faster.

Quinn is struggling and did so last year in camp as well.

Maybe it is youth and inexperience. But then again his main plus coming out of college was being pro ready because of Weis. Does not look like that was the case but we will find out more in training camp and preseason.

But calm down to reality with both QBs.

At this point whomever Mangini picks is fine with me. I just want wins.

The EDGE goes to Quinn on Daboll's Offensvie scheme. Not DA. I don't know where people keep hearing about DA have the edge.

They don't want to air it out. They want smart, quick decision making. DA could hardly ever be consistent in that regard. Again, neither QB is rated bad. Each has distinct abilities.

Quinn's just fit this new scheme better.

Wait a minute. Are you guys scrubbing posts now?? Jason posed a serious question and I gave him a serious answer. Let me repeat it:

"DASAGENCY.... How can you put the blame on Quinn for the loss vs. Denver last year? Are you that frickin delusional? (Dumb question, we all know you are from your cleveland.com posts)"

Jason, with a minute and 3 seconds left, here's how Quinn led us down the field when we needed him the most:

1st and 10 at CLV 33 (1:14) (Shotgun) B.Quinn pass short right to K.Winslow pushed ob at CLV 42 for 9 yards (J.Winborn).

2nd and 1 at CLV 42 (59) (Shotgun) B.Quinn pass incomplete short right to K.Winslow.

3rd and 1 at CLV 42 (54) (Shotgun) B.Quinn pass incomplete short middle to J.Wright.

4th and 1 at CLV 42 (50) (Shotgun) B.Quinn pass incomplete short left to K.Winslow.

So when the pressure was on, Quinn made the 29th ranked defense in football look like the 85 Bears defense.

"You guys are too hard on both QB. Other QB with weak arms have managed to run a west coast offense with throws of 4 yards or less and be sucessfull in this league. So to dismiss Quinn is short sighted. The right players and offense and you could win with Quinn. Not the king of QB that could carry a team, but look at some of the quarterbacks that have won super bowls. Not much more talent than Quinn."

Dark, where did you read or hear that the Browns will be running a west coast offenst?? I've heard Mangini say that whomever his QB is, he'll have to have a vertical game to keep defenses honest. Mangini probably learned this the hard way with Pennington as his QB. We aren't running a west coast offense, so please stop interjecting something you've conjured up into the mix.

Right on Bubba. You have it 100% correct.

I am so tired of reading both sides claim their favorite is a sure thing.

Aaron like most fans that do not understand the game or never played at any high level I understand your thinking.

A quarterback can not carry a bad team. Wins and loses are about the team. 40 men play and 40 win or lose. Sure the quarterback has more to do with winning than the second string right guard. But if that guard comes into to replace an injured player he can make a good quarterback look like a chump.

So while you think like a fan, Mangini must think like an NFL head coach.

He does not care which quarterback did what in the 40 mph winds of the Cinci game. Nor will he care about which quarterback was in the pro bowl or which was drafted high and which low like other fans with your very limited understanding seem to think matters.

Derek Anderson has played well adn played poorly. The players around him have helped him look good and often let him down completely. Had you played or coached the game you would not rest all of the negative on the quaterback.

Last year a quarterback with no experience that did not even play much in college got a shot with a great team and coaching staff around him and did an exceptional job. Not because he was a great undiscoverd talent but because so much of how a quarterback does is about the guys around him and the coaches.

The Browns according to all opinions are not a very talented team. They were not when they went 10-5 with Anderson starting. But a combination of weak schedule and ability to exploit the Anderson to Winslow and Edwards combinations dropped the defense enough to open runs by Jamal and the team was able to score.

You need to take a whole team approach and you would reach conclusions that have some validity. Not much doubt that a healthy Derek Anderson last year on New England wins as many games or more than they did.

It is about the team around you and the coaching, try and understand that.

i don't see how we can ignore brett ratliff...he actually may be the best QB of the three...he knows the system and can throw long.

I am another person who thinks Quinn should start.
but for different reasons..
when he was drafted 22nd it was because when the dolphins took ginn at 9....ESPN Chris Mortenson then said the next twelve teams were not looking for a QB and the next chance would be the Cowboys at 22...well the browns made the trade and got him
when he plays he calls the play he is sent...can anyone say for sure that he is not throwing long because he wasn't asked to?
He has thrown long in games.
He threw a frozen rope to Braylon in the Denver game for a 24 yard gain...it is not necessary to be able to throw 50-60 yards in the Mangini offense.
when the 4th quarter of the Denver game started the Browns were up 30-13....how did they get there....Brady who had 3 days of practice
He broke his finger in the Buffalo game on the road and still played and they won...Yes the Bills put 8 in the box...but do we know if the Browns even practiced against an 8?......
and in the Houston game he played as well as he could with a broken finger...
We should give him a chance to show what he can do...i mean the whole season...until then we will never know...and the worse thing that can happen is if he was traded and was very successful for the new team....he may not be the answer but lets let him stop being the question.

Hey fans let's do what fans do and let Mangini decide. You can not convince me that Mangini came here to loose, and that he is not going to put the best product on the field, who know's it might just as well be Bret Rattlif. Let's just wait and see. Saying that though I've seen flaws in both QB's game, and in DA's defense you can only throw the ball you can't catch it too, ala the Pittsburgh game at the stadium not only did Braylon not catch a ball that was basically in his hands at the end of the game, but the coach (having respect for Romeo) doesn't have the guts to go for the win and kicks a doggone field goal. So spare me the crap of putting the whole load on DA he can"t catch the ball nor can he make the decision of playing to win or to loose. Please folks let's just wait and see how this plays out and may the best QB win!

Just to take this in a slightly different, more scientific direction: does anyone realize that this debate is not about Quinn vs. DA? It's really an argument over whether or not arm strength matters. Yes, it's windy in the Stadium. Yes, it was windy in Cincy last year. But really, wind is a problem on what, maybe 3% of throws in a season? (And no, I didn't chart season to season wind patterns, I'm just a blogger and that's my best blogger guess.) I, personally, would rather have a more accurate QB than one who can throw the ball through the uprights, from his knees, while kneeling in the opposite endzone. I think we can all agree that Joe Montana was a fairly decent QB and guess what the biggest knock on him was...? Arm strength! Now, I'm not comparing Montana to Quinn in any way, shape, or form but a good coach designs an offense around his players. Bill Walsh instituted the dink and dunk west coast offense that made the most of Montana's strengths and limited his perceived weakness. As long as Quinn can chuck the ball 40 yards downfield (complete, incomplete, whatever as long as it's not picked off) the defense will have to stay home in the secondary and Mangini can then construct an effective game plan. You can't teach arm strength, but apparently all the practice in the world hasn't helped DA with accuracy. What the article above especially neglected to note was that DA was a "true" Browns QB due to the fact that he never bagged/wed a Playboy Playmate. Sure, he went to highschool with one, but he couldn't get out of the friends zone. Not only does Quinn give the Browns the best chance to win, he has the best chance at adding to the Browns QB harem.

Who cares? They both blow and we will be drafting a QB next year. How about someone writes about the Big Douche being a rapist because ESPN refuses to say anything bad about the fat ass.

Ray Ray..You claim that all you need to do is contain DA and hope he makes mistakes...What games have you been watching ?..They're inevitable

Wow. So, DA hasnt had a fair shake? That s what I'm reading from the DA fanbois' here? You're kidding, right?

I dont care how loyal you are to him- and I thought he was 'great' when they were lighting it up too- however, when a team is knee deep in the shite is when you find out how good a qb is, whether hes a leader, and whether he has the intestinal fortitude to will his team to wins. Hes one guy, but he also affects the psyche, and attitude, of every other guy in that huddle. Anyone can look great when youre winning games and the entire team is clicking on all cylinders...

Quinn deserves his shot- period. And those saying he doesnt have the 'physical tools' arent real bright. Or, they've never watched him play, either from the collegiate level on up... whats funny is, if he does his job this year and wins for this team like I believe he will - all of these on DA's sack will either disappear, or do a quick 180.. 'I KNEW he had it in him'... or, if we, God forbid, win more than we should, there will be those detractors who say 'if DA was in, we'd have went undefeated!'..

But yea- you're right, Bubba.. we're 'worshipping a false idol'... because hes had such a fair shot thus far. The only thing DA has going for him is he's got a stronger arm for the long ball. Otherwise, Quinn trumps. I'm going to laugh when you all eat crow come mid season or years end.

As far as those who want DA *because* of that deep ball ability.... I remember another great ''deep ball' qb that scouts were mesmerized with... think his name was... it escapes me.. OH- Ryan Leaf!

Sinsinatti Game says it all! Anderson is worthless...we will soon find out how worthless he is - possibly/maybe a 5th rounder or just a simple "release"??

Boy I like this site already !!! I just read alot of cool comments that were actually quite informative and I can agree with both sides on quite a few things about both these QB's BUT the truth is We have seen neither with a decent coach, I am soory RAC but you just didnt have the staff to help these young guys develop and I think both these guys have alot of talent but both need more time to learn and will progress, a poor Team can make a QB look horrible and thats what we seen last year, totaly unorganized and just plain horrible in all games but the Giants game and figure that out ???? I think its only fair to say that what Mr Mangini is doing by saying its all even, and now lets go work on what you need to improve on just see who really wants to learn and progress, it takes more starts than either one has been provided to really determine who is better, I do agree that DA has the arm and BQ more desire and we shall see , Let the best man win and I beleive Mangini will definetly pick that guy to start but that also can change after seeing many game time opportunities, these guys are both very young and learning and need time to develop before anyone with any brains can judge the outcome !!!!